[Voiceover]Trigger warning for mention of religious trauma, sexual abuse, suicide and holocaust.

Dennis
Find out what it takes to become a champion in and out of the ring. Our interview with MMA legend Pat Miletich is coming right up. Hi, I’m Dennis VanDerGinst. Join me in a series of entertaining and interesting conversations with entertaining and interesting people. We’ll explore various aspects of the human experience and what makes life more fun. This is Uncommon Convos.

Dennis
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Dennis
You can also go to UncommonConvos.Com to comment, suggests guests, and watch the video version of this and all of our episodes. My guest today is a true legend in mixed martial arts. He was the first UFC welterweight champion and UFC 16 welterweight tournament winner. He’s the founder of Miletich Fighting Systems in Bettendorf, Iowa, which was one of the most successful training camps in MMA history, having produced no fewer than 11 MMA world champs, including former UFC champions Matt Hughes, Tim Sylvia, Jens Pulver and Robbie Lawler.

Dennis
He is a UFC Hall of Famer and the first ever recipient of the George Tragos Award for from the National Wrestling Hall of Fame, Dan Gable Museum. He followed up his legendary fighting career and coaching career with a successful career in television color commentary for Strikeforce, ESPN and Legacy Fighting Alliance. He’s also been involved in his own successful podcasts, including The Conspiracy Farm and Everything Combat. So, Pat, thanks so much for being here.

Pat
Well, thank you, Dennis. I appreciate you having me over. And it’s cool that you’re doing–I love the name of your podcast, Uncommon Convos. It’s pretty cool.

Dennis
I appreciate that. And, you know, obviously, that’s what we’re we’re shooting for. We’ve had some some great guests, some of whom we spoke to about, you know, Dale Ruplinger, for instance, had some comments, nice things to say about you, which, you know, I’ll talk about in a little bit. You know, I did want to say, though, it’s it’s been kind of crazy getting ready for this podcast, for this interview, because, of course, you know, we’ve known each other for for a bit.

Dennis
And you’ve been kind enough to do a commercial for us years ago, which was was very cool. But you’re like this true renaissance man because you’ve got this one career. And in flight, you’re doing all this stuff with your own podcasts and, you know, the commentary career, et cetera. So trying to to narrow things down into what we can talk about for an hour or so is kind of difficult. So, you know, I’ve heard other podcasts, for instance, where your focus has been on the on the fight game, others where you kind of talk and more about the conspiracy farm, which is is a lot of fun.

Dennis
So I decided, well, we’ll try to try to fit as much in as we can and then. Sure, if we need to, we’ll reschedule and have you come back and talk more. So..

Pat
Yeah, no problem.

Dennis
So let’s let’s talk a little bit, first of all, because I think a lot of the listeners are going to know who Pat Miletich is. But even if they know who Pat Miletich is and those who don’t, I want them to get a better sense of of who you are.

Dennis
And let’s let’s talk a bit about how you got started in mixed martial arts. I know that you got started in wrestling and at an early age, is that kind of what what propelled you?

Pat
Well, you know, I mean, it’s kind of funny. I got involved in wrestling in first grade kindergarten somewhere in there because I got beat up by the middle school wrestling coach’s son. And I said, well, I better learn how to wrestle because that was not that was not an enjoyable experience. So I’m going to get into wrestling. And then, of course, football. Football was my favorite sport. I did wrestling mostly because I thought I was going to be six foot five like my brothers and I was going to be playing linebacker at the University of Iowa, defensive end or something like that.

Pat
So lo and behold, I really didn’t grow a whole lot. You know, I ended up at five, ten maybe, and ended up going to college for wrestling. Luckily, I had done that, too. But as far as how I moved in the mixed martial arts, it’s kind of interesting that I had left I had to leave college and take care of my mother. She had heart problems and she was a nursing director at Moline Public Hospital at the time, way back in the day when that hospital still existed and she had heart problems, had had to basically leave nursing for quite a while.

Pat
And so I was working three jobs. I was pouring concrete during the day. And then I was working security at one nightclub and then bartending at another. And while I was pouring concrete, one day, one of our foreman was from Kentucky and in a Southern drawl, he said basically, you know, a karate man, a karate man, ruin, ruin, ruin a wrestler. And I said, yeah, you probably haven’t been grabbed by an Iowa wrestler before, apparently.

Pat
And he said he said at lunchtime, we can we can go out in the field and we can find out. And I said, OK, let’s go do that. And I didn’t beat him up or anything, but it was pretty easy to take him down and kind of control him and everything. So he gave me a free slip to go to a local kick boxing, karate gym, where I started out in martial arts, and it kind of went from there and I saw that I actually had some talent in in the world of martial arts and started to pursue it a lot more intensely.

Pat
And then the UFC was created. I had already won a United States Muay Thai kickboxing title, so I had taken care of the striking aspect, training at the boxing gym down at [inaudible] quite a bit. And when the UFC arrived, I said they just invented my sport, literally. You know, I needed to make money in chunks, fairly large chunks for me at the time anyway to help pay bills for my mother. And so that’s that’s kind of what it was.

Pat
And then also I really buckled down after two of my older brothers had committed suicide. They, of course, were and I’ve said this before, you know, were were molested by Catholic priests. And so they couldn’t they couldn’t really they couldn’t ever shed their demons. You know, there was nobody to talk to you back then.

Dennis
Sure.

Pat
And so I just said, I’m going to make my mom smile again. That’s what I’m going to do.

Pat
And so that’s what I set out to do, was win a world title. And it kind of went on a mission.

Dennis
Wow. And I didn’t even know that about the molestation of your brothers. And I’m so sorry to hear that. Obviously, as an attorney, that’s that’s something I’ve touched on over the years and had to deal with other folks that have been through that or that. Now that you mentioned, I want to circle back, you know, that you left college to help help your mom after she had her heart problems. And I had heard you talking to Joe Rogan on his podcast about when you went back or what was the college you were at before you left?

Pat
I was at Kirkwood.

Dennis
And I what was–

Pat
Sorry, Kirkwood and then Sioux Empire.

Dennis
OK, wasn’t it one of those that you were actually wrestling or you went to school with Mike Wolf, also from American Pickers?

Pat
Yeah, he was at Sioux Empire with with me and a couple other guys from Bettendorf had gone there. And Mike’s Mike’s a lot scrappier than people understand. Mike’s mike led a pretty rough and tumble life up to his up to his, you know, show days.

Dennis
That’s funny. And of course, we’ve got Frank and Robbie are already scheduled to come talk to us. And we’re going to have to get Mike’s scheduled as well. But, you know, we’ll have to dig into that a little bit more. So I also remember you telling Joe Rogan on his podcast that by the time that you had gotten into MMA, as you as you indicated, you had this background in wrestling, the boxing and [inaudible], Brazilian jujitsu, et cetera.

Dennis
And you’d also trained with Nick Tarpin. Is that right?

Pat
Sure, yeah.

Dennis
Another Quad Cities fixture. What is it what do you think it is about Iowa in the Quad Cities that made it such a mecca for fighters? Because we’ve got, you know, obviously University of Iowa wrestling and wrestling in general in Iowa and of course, your fight camp and in some great boxers as well that have come out of the area.

Pat
I think, you know, it’s a combination of the the farming mentality, the river town mentality of, you know, the industry that was here for so many years. And I I think there’s something–I don’t know exactly what it is besides that. But maybe historically in Iowa, places like this where there are no mountains, there are no beaches, there’s nothing else to do in the winter. You know, the you know, there’s sure the maintenance on the equipment at the farm and that sort of stuff when that was the main thing here in Iowa.

Pat
And it still is where during the winter you just you stayed indoors and you beat each other up, basically, you know, that’s why wrestling got so prevalent here. I think in the Midwest, as you know, we don’t have the mountains to entertain us. We don’t go skiing. We don’t go, you know, ice skating, generally, things like that. So it’s the indoor sports. And wrestling, of course, is one of those.

Dennis
Right. And I can see how that that could be the case. And, you know, I was not into wrestling, but it was the same thing that propelled me into other areas that were indoor sports. And I think a lot of folks around here, the same thing.

Pat
Sure.

Dennis
So, you know, and I know before we got started today, you didn’t you said you didn’t want to talk all about you so much as maybe in general talking about fighting, but just a little bit about about your career, because I think it’s important people understand that you have the credibility to talk about these things.

Dennis
And you became the the the welterweight champ, I guess it would have been for UFC, which is, of course, the largest MMA organization. And and then I know that when you lost, was that Carlos Newton that you lost that title to?

Pat
Uh-huh.

Dennis
That the UFC wanted you to then–they wanted to force you into the middleweight division, or did they actually do that?

Pat
Yeah, they forced me up, you know, and I told them they gave me a choice. They had scheduled–I had to win one fight after that loss to get a rematch. There was a rematch clause in my contract. So I won a knockout, Shoni Carter. And so they had scheduled Carlos and I for a rematch. And then they called me back and said, we can’t do that because it’s Pedro Hizo and Randy Couture on the same card for that title.

Pat
And that would be the same [inaudible] event as we did in New Jersey as we’re going to do in Vegas. So what we want to do is, is ask you we can either put Matt Hughes in for you–and I promised Matt that I would get him a world title eventually if he came to train with me–or we could put somebody else in from another camp. And whoever wins doesn’t matter. You get that shot. And so, you know, I’ve been champ for three and a half years, roughly.

Pat
And so I said, you know, let’s go with Matt. So I called Matt up, said, hey, get back to get back to Bettendorf–he was down on the farm in Illinois, I said, get back here. We got to start training and get you ready. And he said, now he goes, that’s your fight. He goes, you know, contractually that’s your fight. And I said, look, I’ve held the title for three and a half years.

Pat
And what I was trying to do was just say to the UFC, just let me be the gatekeeper at 170. I’ve enjoyed my time as a champion. Let’s let’s let Matt have his his day in the sun. And they said, no, you’re not, because you’ve trained yourself out of a position at 170 because you’ve got Rob Lawler, Jason Black, Matt Hughes and you and you’re all ranked basically in the top ten in the world right now.

Pat
And so they said, you got to you’ve got to leave your leave your weight division, go up to 185 or or we don’t have any more fights for you. So they forced me out. And, you know, I was a little bitter about that at the time because I certainly didn’t I didn’t belong at 185. I mean, you’re fighting guys that cut down from 225 at that point and I walked around at 190.

Pat
So, you know, it was and so I did one fight, lost to Matt [inaudible] and then just and walked away from from the UFC at that point.

Dennis
Yeah. And I know that there was some friction, I guess, that developed with Dana White, the president of UFC, is that is that because of that or was there other?

Pat
Well, that was sort of the you know, the thing is, this is and I could have I could have managed the whole thing better. You know, back then I was a bit of a hothead, you know, so that kind of started the ball rolling.

Pat
But then when Matt Hughes fought Carlos Newton in the rematch in London, we had been bussed all the fighters there camps everybody to a London nightclub, and they had a VIP party for us and everything. And then when we walked out of the club, they turned on the lights and kicked everybody out of the club. It was five o’clock in the morning and Tito Ortiz and Lee Murray, who’s an English fighter that I had been training, got into a fight.

Pat
It was a big just an alley brawl and Tito Ortiz got knocked out by Lee Murray. And back then I got along with Tito Tito pretty well, and I saved Tito from taking more punishment. I told Lee to get off of him. I pushed him away from him because Lee started putting the boots to him after he knocked him out. And and so I stopped that. But Tito went back and told Dana White that it was my camp and Lee Murray and all of his friends from London that all jumped them and beat them up.

Pat
And and Dana said that he had surveillance video coming from the alley fight and that I better be telling the truth. I said, make sure you make copies so I can get one so that I can show people that I’m telling the truth while and it and it kind of snowballed from there. And then I was on a movie set in Mexico and Dana White had called the director of the movie, who was a friend of mine, John Hirschfeld, and it was a Paul Walker film called Bobby Z.

Pat
And John handed me the phone. He said, somebody wants to talk to you. And it was Dana White. And he said, hey, I’d like to put you in as one of the coaches of Tough the season of The Ultimate Fighter. Right, right. And it would be you and Carlos Newton. And he said, I’d like to you know, let’s let’s put the past in the past. And I said, yeah, I’ll agree to do that.

Pat
No problem. And so that night we were watching Matt Hughes was not on the movie set with us. He was training for a fight with Joe Riggs. And so we were going to watch that at a golf course, a clubhouse in Mexico and Baja, Mexico. And anyway, we’re sitting there watching the fights and you gotta understand, you know, John Hirschfeld, the director, is telling everybody, I’m going to be a coach on the next season, of Tough.

Pat
And, you know, you’ve got Laurence Fishburne there. You’ve got the Carradine brothers. You’ve got all kinds of these these folks, they’re watching the fights with us. Dana White gets in the cage and says, I want to announce the coaches for next season’s ultimate fighter. And he announces Tito Ortiz and Ken Shamrock. And I go, why would this guy do this? You know? And so when I got back home off the movie set a couple of weeks later, I called his assistant and I said, tell your boss to call me, tell your boss to call me.

Pat
So I chewed him–I chewed his ass for it. And so that didn’t make things better, of course.

Pat
And they kind of they were they were doing a pretty good job after that of blackballing me in the sport. And I got a job at Showtime Sports and then I got a job with ESPN and then I got a job with Access TV. So I’m working for all of these networks at the same time. And I think they just decided we can’t get rid of this guy. He’s dug in like an Alabama wood tick. So I think they went we got to you know, Dana White at least publicly apologized for what he’d done.

Pat
And they put me in the Hall of Fame. But that’s kind of how all that went down.

Dennis
Yeah, I was going to say and evidently there must have been some smoothing over since you did end up in the UFC Hall of Fame. But that explains–that explains that a little bit more.

Pat
Yeah.

Dennis
Now, you mentioned you’re the folks that you were training during the course of the ball, that going down. And so that’s a good segue into talking about military fighting systems. And as I said in the during the intro at the onset, you know, you’ve accounted for so many televised fighters and world champs.

Dennis
First of all, I guess what was it that that motivated you to start doing the coaching and the training and, you know, kind of getting away from the more active role as a fighter?

Pat
Well, early on, you know, the sport was so young that it was tough to find training partners that that knew a whole lot, you know, that really had a knowledge base to work with. You know, people were specialized in boxing or kickboxing or wrestling or or jujitsu or judo. So I decided that I needed to get people good very fast. And so I figured out a cookie cutter system basically to get, you know, good athletes up to speed in the sport as quickly as I could so that I had good training partners.

Pat
And, you know, the training was very intense. You know, I kind of followed the Dan Gable mindset of, you know, if you out train your opponents, if you’re in better shape, it’s very tough for them to beat you. And my favorite saying, one of my favorite sayings is I’d rather fight a great fighter in mediocre shape than a mediocre fighter in great shape. And so that that was one of our our cornerstones that had to be the technique was one, of course, but.

Pat
You know, having the endurance to go the entire twenty five minutes at breakneck speed was was super important as well.

Dennis
Mm hmm.

Dennis
So that was that was kind of how it how it developed. And again, the Dan Gable system of you know, I read every book about the game. I watched every documentary, everything he did. That’s one of the few people that I actually idolized as a kid. He was he was one of them.

Dennis
Well, and obviously had a lot of great a lot of great clay to mold, you know. I mean, they, so they must have it was that like word of mouth? People are saying, are they just seeing the results and seeing how we got to go see Pat? How did that develop, you know, getting that kind of stable of great fighters that you ended up with?

Pat
Yeah, I mean, we started with obviously the local guys. Mark Hanson was one of the originals. He’s a Davenport police officer. He and I have been great friends for many, many years. And a lot of a lot of other local guys, you know, started coming in. Robbie Lawler came in when he was 16 and started training with us. But, you know, that’s that people would call from all around the country and eventually all over the world and would show up and they’d say some of them would say, I’m going to move to Iowa and train with you.

Pat
And I would say, don’t do that. Do not move here. Come here for a week, see if you like it. See if the guys like you, see if the system makes sense to you before you do it. Because we were doing things so intensely and the room was always at ninety five degrees that most people, even high level professional fighters, would show up and many times they’d be the best guy in their gym so they weren’t being pushed and then they’d show up.

Pat
And at one time, you know, we had 40 to 50 guys that were all in the same room that were ranked in the top ten in the world in their respective weight divisions. So you never got a round off. Everybody, every person that you went around with five minutes, whether it was wrestling, grappling, striking, whatever it was you were in with a world class person. And they were used to going against other world class fighters all day, every day.

Pat
And by Wednesday, generally, people would just leave. They’d just they’d walk over, pick up their bag, and we’d all look at them and we’d say, if you walk out that door, don’t come back. And they many times would just turn around and go out the door.

Dennis
I’m sure I would have been there at seven a.m. and gone by seven fifteen. So.

Pat
Well, you know, we did have a lot of classes for the civilians that really wanted to get in shape. And I pushed the civilians to in terms of conditioning. Yeah, we wanted people to be in great shape. If they had to defend themselves on the street and they went through the same training, they just didn’t get punched and kicked.

Dennis
Right.

Dennis
And I want to talk a little bit about that, too, as far as like the law enforcement training that you’ve done. But before I get there, I think I if I remember correctly, you had something like 90 fighters that at one point or another were televised as far as their fights. But eventually you sold the gym, though, right? Or what happened at the gym because you’re not doing it anymore. Right.

Pat
Right. Well, I got I got so busy, I was working three network TV jobs. So that was I was constantly on airplanes for years and years and years. And I had the law enforcement military training company called Fire Horse Combatives and had the gym. I had two new two new daughters. And I I realized that I was and it was probably three or four years that I was really struggling with. I had to get something off my plate.

Pat
I was just running out of gas and never seeing my kids. You know, I love my favorite time would be to make breakfast for my daughters and just talk to them, you know, when I was in town. And so I figured, OK, something’s got to get pushed off the plate. And what happened with that? How I retired from coaching was I was doing an episode. I was co-hosting a show with Bryan Stan, who’s Annapolis grad from the Naval Academy, played linebacker for Navy and was also a UFC fighter.

Pat
But the Silver Star recipient, the guy’s a war hero, just a guy that I really can appreciate his dedication to life and doing the things that he did. After we got done with the show, they threw us in the car service in the back of the car. They’re taking us to the airport. And I’m talking to my daughters on speakerphone saying, you know, I’ll see you tomorrow morning. I’m going to get home tonight, but you guys will be in bed and I’m looking forward to making you breakfast.

Pat
I love you and said goodbye. And Bryanston looked at me and he goes, That’s awesome, because I have two daughters as well. And he said, and it punched me. It was like a message directly from God. He said, you know, he goes, I’ve killed a lot of people. And he said, in the middle of every firefight in combat, bullets bouncing off Heskey and rocks all around me, explosions going off. He said, I always every time wondered what life was about.

Pat
And he said, I finally came to the conclusion that for a man, the best thing he can do is raise his kids the right way, get them off on the right foot. That’s the greatest accomplishment that we that we can ever, ever have in life. And at that moment, I was done. I looked out the window of the car and just went, wow. And he didn’t know. He thought that I thought he was he

Pat
was crazy, somebody had interviewed me and I’d get given that answer, and then they called him and asked him if he knew that that was the reason that I finally made that decision to quit coaching. And he said, no, I had no idea. He said I thought maybe Pat thought I was crazy, but it was so impactful that I went home and I called a meeting all the fighters and I said, I’m done. Go find a new gym.

Pat
This is it. So that’s it was it was a pretty pretty one of those moments in life that are very impactful.

Dennis
Sure. Now you’re done with the fighters, but you as you mentioned, you started training law enforcement and military personnel as far as combat techniques. And was that the impetus for that? I mean, this conversation, is that what prompted you to go down that path or were you down that path already or had that evolved?

Pat
Yeah, I had been training law enforcement military for for quite a few years before that. And Mark Hanson, who’s the Davenport police officer that I spoke to, he’s the one that got me involved in that I had started working with with the Davenport PD and then the Bettendorf PD, some local officers around here, defensive tactics, instructors.

Pat
Then we went to Camp Dodge in Des Moines, worked with National Guard unit up there, and it kind of blossomed from there. So I’ve trained law enforcement, military from all over the place, everybody from local, state and federal, all the way up to military groups and and special forces attached to those those military branches.

Dennis
You know, obviously recently we’ve had that the trial of the Minneapolis police officer, Officer Derek Chauvin, relative to the George Floyd death. And of course, that event in several similar events have prompted a lot of debate over, you know, police accountability, proper procedures as far as detaining and in subduing suspects, etc. in frankly. And I you know, I don’t want this to sound critical of that prosecution because I think, to their credit, the prosecution in that case made the focus, that officer and not an indictment of the department or police in general.

Dennis
But but as a martial artist and as someone who has trained and does train police, what are your thoughts on proper and improper techniques with respect to detaining or subduing somebody?

Pat
Yeah, well, you know, this is a very complex problem. And there’s a lot of things that have attributed to the deterioration of of law enforcement and their their relationship with society and society, you know, has has gone off the rails quite a bit as well with lack of respect for for law enforcement. It’s just it’s a social, social, economic issue that is so massive. And, you know, I’m somebody that has to speak to the truth.

Pat
I have to question my beliefs every day in every aspect, especially when we’re doing our our podcast, The Conspiracy Farm. We have to really dig in to these types of issues. And what I noticed many years ago, the concerns of officers many years ago were that their budgets were already being cut. Guys were going out of their own pockets for our training, the guys that truly cared about their job and wanted to do their job well because they knew that being in great shape, being able to handle themselves and being very knowledgeable in self-defense techniques and how to subdue people quickly was going to save lives not only their own, but other people’s lives.

Pat
Right. And so so that was something that was concerning them. And also, it’s been many years where departments hired lowering standards or lowered hiring standards physically and mentally, I.Q., IQ wise. And people were being people were being advanced through their jobs even when they were failing tests for those jobs. And that that became very alarming. That was another red flag that went up. So all of this stuff that’s finally gone public of defund the police and all of that sort of stuff, this has been an agenda for many, many years.

Pat
And people have to understand that, it’s to me mind boggling that people truly trust the media. We’re seeing media folks, a good friend of mine, Carrie Lake, who’s originally from Eldridge, the Eldridge-Bettendorf area. She’s running for governor of Arizona now and she had just recently quit her job. She was the most successful host or anchor for Fox News. They won awards as the best in Arizona for 22 years straight. She’s an incredible, incredible lady.

Pat
And she finally quit saying I could no longer read what was on the teleprompter because it just simply wasn’t true. It was causing fear. It was a deliberate tool that the media is being used to cause fear based conditioning. And she walked away and she decided to run for governor, what she’s doing now. And so we’re seeing more and more reporters who are walking away who are exposing, you know, what the media has been doing for a long time.

Pat
And so that’s that’s something that, you know, division is their main job. That’s what they do, whether it’s based on color, whether it’s based on, you know, ethnicity, religion, wealth or poverty and now mask, no mask vaccine, no vaccine. And it is dehumanization is what we call it. And that that tool has been used numerous times in socialist and communist takeovers of nations, you know, Pol Pot, that the Bolshevik Revolution, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler.

Pat
So we’re seeing this dehumanization to where people will accept the fact that maybe the people that don’t agree with them are lesser humans are lesser than human. And that’s where public that’s where that’s where a certain sector of the public and the citizenry would accept people being put on boxcars in the late 30s in Germany. You know, that’s how this happens. And so people need to be very aware, keenly aware of what is happening and and the attempt by the media who are controlled by very, very powerful people to divide us and distract us from from the end game.

Dennis
Well, in part, I certainly agree with what you have to say about, you know, how things went down in Nazi Germany and Mao Tse tung in some of the examples that you gave. But with respect to that here and now, the divisiveness that certainly exists that you’re referencing, what do you think the end game is? Who is it? I mean, you mentioned the the powerful people who are behind, you know, the the typical media outlet.

Dennis
What’s their endgame and who is it and what have they got to gain by engendering this type of divisiveness that you’ve described?

Pat
Well, it comes down to, you know, complete and total control is what it comes down to. There’s, again, very, very powerful people. And, you know, who knows where the end game truly is going to stop. But what we were saying as long before this lockdown happened, you know, in my mind on my podcast, Jeff and I are interviewing guys like Peter Schiff, an economist, former military intelligence scientist. You know, a lot of experts in their different areas.

Pat
And I took the pieces of the puzzle and I sat back and I put them all together and I went, this is this is coming in the spring of 2020, there’s no doubt. And so we started talking about that specifically that that date was coming. And we had information and documents showing, you know, just to not make this, we were called tin foil hat wearers for a long time for everything that we talked about. But everything we talked about for six years has eventually been proven correct or happened as we said it was going to happen.

Pat
You know, just for instance, when when the Obama administration was in, we flat out said that we’re the ones funding one of the main funders and arms of ISIS and we got called lunatics. And eventually that that got proven true. But in an interview with Dillion, a guy in Shibuya who’s a Bulgarian reporter who was fired for exposing that fact and the shipments that were coming out of Bulgaria into Benghazi, Libya, she was searching for more documents on weapons shipments coming out of Serbia into the Middle East.

Pat
And she stumbled across documents of the 25 bio weapons laboratories that we had that encircle Eurasia. And all of the scientists that work there have diplomatic immunity and every one of them, which means they can ship and carry anything they want and you can’t search them. And they also specialized in creating weaponized viruses that target specific DNA. And so all of these red flags coming up. It was a very alarming thing. So by the time I put all these pieces of the puzzle together and started saying, listen, spring of 2020, we need to prepare, it’s a monetary reset.

Pat
You know, it’s the beginning of all of the stuff, asymmetrical warfare. People call us lunatics again. And when we were saying, please don’t put on a mask, please don’t close your business because everybody does this. You have no idea where this is headed. And of course, the fear based conditioning worked, and we also said that this was lab created and now we see Fauci’s emails come out where he’s, you know, kind of roundabout admitting that it is.

Pat
So this is a very specific deal. But, you know, if you look at organizations, financial monstrosities like BlackRock and Vanguard, those are the two most powerful generally and they own stock in every every conglomerate that owns all media, all dissemination of information, all of that pharmaceutical companies, you know, it’s all tied together. So is there anything I can do to stop what they want to do now? Not by myself, but if if citizens wake up and ascend to a higher level of intelligence and truth and accept the truth of what we’re dealing with?

Pat
You know, there are possibilities.

Dennis
Right.

Dennis
And I want to say for those folks who are listening, if you have not checked out Conspiracy Farm, you know, it’s really in–you know, clearly I don’t necessarily agree with everything that that Pat has to say or advocates, but I do agree with a lot of it in the thing that I think is important to understand is you do have to keep your eyes open and you do have to have your ears open. You do have to be aware of what’s happening in open to some of the the explanations that that are being proposed by various people.

Dennis
And and I applaud that. And I wanted to circle back to what it was that got you to this point where you have become so involved in the conspiracy theories in the podcast in general. I know, for instance, I maybe I don’t know this, but I wanted to ask this. It seemed as though I had heard maybe when one of your podcasts or when you were being interviewed, that some of this was prompted by discussions you had with some of the military personnel that you were training.

Dennis
You know, off the record, obviously, these guys either aren’t privy to governmental secrets or aren’t going to knowingly share those types of things, but they give you kind of their two cents or their interpretation on what was going down. Is is that true or accurate?

Pat
Yeah. You know, yeah, a lot of a lot of guys that were, you know, especially former Special Forces guys who had been in combat, very, very heavy, heavy combat. You know, after getting out, you know, they realized what it was all about. Why are we guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan and why is there an opioid–and how does how does that contribute to the opioid–opioid crisis here in the United States? You know, a lot of those types of things really bothered those guys.

Pat
You know, that they went and they and they served and gave their you know, they signed on the dotted line to give their life in our country if necessary. So it bothered them a lot. And I also made contact with a lot of folks who were in the intelligence world and guys who were, you know, patriots, so to speak. And so, you know, when I would hold conversations with them, you know, I I knew that there was a lot not right.

Pat
But I didn’t know the depth that it went to. And so in conversations with those guys, I would contact them and say, OK, am I correct in saying this? And they said, yes, you’re spot on. You know, when we had Chris Tanto Paronto, he was one of the CIA operators that was in Benghazi, Libya, the night of the attack on our our our diplomat, Chris Christopher Stevens there and lost a couple of former Special Forces folks, former SEALs and.

Pat
Yeah, so I asked him bluntly, I said, were we running weapons through Benghazi, Libya? And he says, yes, we were. I said, was was the ambassador killed because he was the one running that operation? And did he know too much? And he said, that’s my feeling. But I cannot confirm that. You know, that’s the sort of stuff that makes you lose sleep at night, you know? And so that’s that’s what that’s how it definitely opened my mind a lot more, even though it was already open to a lot of these things and conversations.

Pat
And I was I was one of those guys on 9/11 going, yeah, let’s go get those terrorists. And then I held a conversation with a good friend of mine here from the Quad Cities who was in the TV world. And he said, you know, have you ever looked into, you know, any any of the stuff, you know, that the Bush administration has been involved in before? You know, it gave me some leads to start researching.

Pat
And I went, OK, you know, so that’s why I’ve gone from, you know, I was a staunch Republican to I just don’t even discuss I do my best now not to discuss anything politics. And we are we are equal opportunity offenders is what we call ourselves. We will roast Republicans and Democrats if we feel what they are doing is against the Constitution.

Dennis
And in a lot of instances, they’re well deserving of that roasting. So I we believe so.

Pat
Yes. Yes.

Dennis
You know, and before we got started today, you also had mentioned to me and by the way, a lot of the discussions that you have on Conspiracy Farm are geopolitical, geopolitical in nature, talking about the economic implications of some of the things that are going on. But you also get into some of the things that for me in a lot of friends that I have are really intriguing in talking about extraterrestrials.

Dennis
And, you know, the things that, you know, you mentioned people thinking that you were on the lunatic fringe for having any belief in that. But where is your sweet spot? I mean, what is it that you really enjoy focusing on with the Conspiracy Farm? And by the way, also, you had mentioned that something happened when you were younger with respect to the farm crisis that kind of led you down this path. So maybe you can talk to that a little bit too.

Pat
Yeah, yeah. Well, I could start with that. You know, when I was about five years old in 1971, Nixon had taken us off the gold standard. And it wasn’t long after that that there was a farm collapse, a financial crisis, and all the farmers rushed to the banks and and wanted to get their money out of the bank. And so my grandma and mother woke me up, you know, outside of Albia, Iowa, and we drove into Albia.

Pat
I don’t know what time it was in the morning, but it was still dark. And we were the first ones in line standing out in front of that that bank. And my grandma got $91,000 in cash out of that bank that that day. But that line grew and grew and grew as the morning went on before the bank even opened. And I was asking questions of my grandma and my mom, you know, why are we here?

Pat
What’s going on? You know, and they were they were explaining it to me. So I was always that that young kid sitting on the living room floor watching Walter Cronkite very, very intrigued with that. And it definitely opened up some some doors in my mind to to think in a different way. And I think what even pushed that on further was that I was constantly game planning against enemies in my fights and in all my fighters fights. So I had to I had to think like the enemy.

Pat
And so therefore, I’m able to I think as an FBI detective or any detective has to think like a serial killer. And it can be it can be maddening at times when you analyze the other side of things and what would be the motivation and following the money. So it yeah, it’s there were times where Jeff and I would look at each other, my co-host, and we’d say, you know, are we crazy? Are we the ones that are crazy?

Pat
But, you know, time and time again, you know, we’ve proven that we were correct. And I forget the other part of the original question that you asked.

Dennis
The sweet spot.

Pat
Yeah, the sweet spot for me. I mean, I don’t think that there is one. I think that I’m more in depth than monetary systems, banking history, the creation of the central banks. You know, you think about Andrew Jackson. You know, a guy tried to assassinate him and both pistols misfired, luckily for him. But he he had you know, he gets he gets kind of a bad rap for, you know, the the Trail of Tears and a lot of other things.

Pat
But he’s the guy that killed the central bank, in my mind, just for doing that. He’s one of the greatest presidents. But, you know, the creation of the Federal Reserve and they made it sound like part of the government. Right. So in 1910 on Jekyll Island, off the coast of of Georgia, you know, they they basically gathered there and wrote the Federal Reserve Act. And in 1913 that that got passed by Wilson. And what’s really interesting is people don’t know a lot about history.

Pat
And those times they don’t pay attention to those things. Teddy Roosevelt was prompted to run for president again, and, you know, it was Taft against Wilson and they figured the bankers funded Roosevelt and put him in there because he would take votes away from Taft. And so Wilson won. And then Wilson was the one that signed the Federal Reserve Act. And, you know, there’s a quote by Wilson even saying he thinks that in the end, he fears that he has betrayed his country by signing that.

Dennis
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Pat
So monetary systems and and a lot of a lot of other subject matter, but but certainly monetary systems and creation of banking.

Dennis
And I want to get back to some of the those those other topics. But before I do, I don’t want to go too far afield from circling back on the main stuff in the color commentary that you did, because there’s there’s a merging of a that career and the conspiracy theory in some respects because of what happened back in January and the fact that you had been let go from what was that legacy fighting alliance at the time.

Pat
The LFA, LFA and and that was on the UFC fight pass.

Dennis
Right.

Pat
So, yeah, and, you know, it was very unfortunate because, you know, it was an article that was written about me that was completely false. You know, people that know me have known me in the sport for all these years. You know, I laughed at it. You know, it it bothered me a lot at first, but then I had to laugh at and I even forgave the guy that wrote that article.

Pat
I called him and I actually forgave him because I didn’t want that eating at me. But the thing is, is anybody that’s known me over all these years, if they can find anything I’ve ever written or said that was ever racist in any way, they would have they would have published that. Right. So there’s there’s none of that. I’ve never thought that way. And the reason I don’t think that way is because I’ve been in so many intense practices where you create such a bond with human beings of all backgrounds, of all colors, of all religions in MMA

Pat
it’s such a serious sport. Just as you know, it’s not as intense as being in combat. But men of all all races, all colors are going to love each other out of respect. And that’s that’s the thing that I tell people is, you know, what is the color of the human spirit? You–can you can you tell me that? And that’s that’s how I that’s how I look at fellow man is how much dedication they have for what they do, no matter what they do and how much they care about their fellow man.

Pat
And, you know, certainly in the subject matter that we have to discuss on my podcast, I’m not a multimillionaire like the, you know, Fox or CNN, you know, anchors that make, you know, 10-20 million dollars a year for reading off a teleprompter. I do this because I care about my children’s future. And so, you know, that’s my motivation. But, yeah, so that, you know, they they made a decision that they wanted to, you know, push away from the paternalistic table for a while and that that was fine with me.

Pat
But society has become so oversensitive and taught to think with their emotions instead of sitting back and analyzing things and, you know, objectively looking at information that they’re given. And the way that that’s done is hypnotherapy, as if a hypnotist is going to hypnotize you, he’s going to elicit an emotion and then make a suggestion. And so the way the media does this is they show you bodybags and then they show you a refrigerator, trucks, and then they show you a giant bat in a bowl of soup and they create fear.

Pat
And then the talking head comes on the TV and says, we’ve got to put on masks, lock yourself down in place, save grandma, grandpa, we’re all going to die. And so everybody looks at that authority figure on the TV and assumes that they’re always going to tell them the truth. And because of the fear based conditioning, that that information gets seated as a belief in the lizard part of the brain where it cannot be, I’ve said numerous times, cannot be pried out with a crowbar.

Pat
So there’s no debating with folks who have that belief stuck in them. And all i do with people is say–I ask them questions to prompt them to research for themselves because their discovery will allow them to change their beliefs of what’s really going on in the world. That’s the only way in.

Dennis
And by way of history. So everyone knows what we’re talking about here. Pat was at the rally at the Capitol in January called Rally, Riot, Insurrection or whatever, however.

Dennis
And you and I had talked since then and you had indicated you certainly were not around where the violence took place. But there was a photo that you where you were posing with someone that may have been a proud boy or QAnon or whatever it was. And at least ostensibly it sounded like LFA was using that as a reason to distance you. Now, certainly you had been doing the podcast for quite some time, so.

Dennis
Sure.

Pat
Do you think that they were looking, looking for a reason to distance you because of the podcast or you think it truly had to do with their the optics of that scenario or a combination of the two?

Pat
Well, I think, you know, look, I love Svenne and the guys that run LFA. They’re great, great human beings. They’ve known me for many years and they know that I’m not a racist. But they they didn’t want you to know that I had become a lightning rod because of my show and because of my beliefs. I think that it was a little too hot for them. And it’s certainly my you know, my podcast, you know, has a lot of people look at me like I’m crazy still.

Pat
But, you know, we’ve had plenty of opportunities to debate with with other folks involved in mainstream media who want no part of a debate with us. We actually went to a they called it a fake news summit. And it was some professors and folks in the local media who were sitting at a table up in front. And the room was packed up in the library. And I went and I sat and my co-host came and we listened to these guys talk.

Pat
And so eventually I had to stand up. And when they had questions and I said, so if the media is being honest, can we discuss the Gulf of Tonkin? Maybe for starters, you know, the the act that was, you know, the incident that was fabricated to create the Vietnam War, was the media telling the truth then? Right. When they reported on that, was the media telling the truth on weapons of mass destruction that got us into Iraq and cost a million Iraqi lives and many American soldiers, you know, all of these things.

Pat
And then Jeff got up and he spoke as well. And by the by the time he was done speaking, the guy sitting at the table said, OK, this is the end of our summit. I guess we’re going to go ahead and leave. And they certainly wouldn’t wouldn’t answer any of our questions. And a lot of the folks in that crowd came up to us and started asking us questions. And so that’s the thing. It’s I it’s it’s it’s troubling that people can this easily disinform society to the level that they have, and that’s that’s what boggles my mind.

Dennis
Well let–you know and you raise a good point. And I certainly don’t disagree that that people become misinformed, whether it’s mainstream media or, frankly, the stuff you see online as well. That is completely unaccountable. But a good example that you just raised is, you know, the reporting that was done regarding Vietnam or weapons of mass destruction, et cetera. Do you think that that was really the media who was intentionally misinforming the public or were they simply doing a poor job of investigating?

Dennis
Because that’s the information they’re being fed from other sources, you know what I mean?

Pat
Well, yeah. Yeah. And people can research on their own Operation Mockingbird and all of that sort of stuff. Some people think it is real. Some people don’t. But the thing is, is if I’m being paid twenty million dollars a year to sit in front of a camera and read a teleprompter, I’m probably going to read the teleprompter, you know. And, you know, there’s a lot of people, as I said, who have made a great living at it, who have recently walked away.

Pat
But many of the media are not informed. They do not do their own research. And–

Dennis
No, I agree.

Pat
–whatever comes over the AP wire, you know, what used to be the teletype, you know, that’s basically what they’re reading on the teleprompter. They’re just punching into the unknown and not doing their own research, just typing basically word for word verbatim. And that’s why you see duplications across the nation of local stations where we’ve seen recordings of them saying the exact same thing in 50 different stations across the country.

Pat
They’re not doing their own research. And that’s unfortunate. But at the same time, those that do their own research and go off the narrative sometimes don’t don’t have a job for very long.

Dennis
Right. And I think there’s a distinction to be made here, too, because mainstream media, a lot of people, the idea that they have about mainstream media, for instance, is we’re talking CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. and depending on what station it is, they’re on one end of the spectrum or another politically. But I had a good example. I had a discussion with Jason Fechner, a former news guy in the Quad Cities, who’s off in, I think Milwaukee or somewhere right now.

Dennis
And I asked him, you know, is it fair to be that critical of mainstream media? Because those are I can see the criticism of Fox. I can see the criticism of CNN and anybody that is taking those disparate positions on political issues. However, that’s not reporting. Those are typically going to be pundits coming on who are being who are preaching to the choir. You know, they’re not really reporting. And I see a distinction between those folks and the folks who are actually doing the reporting.

Dennis
I–not to say that I disagree with you, that some folks aren’t doing their own research and that’s where they’re either lazy or whatever. But but I personally don’t think that mainstream media with that definition, have any type of evil motivation. They may be reporting poorly because they’re being misinformed or they’re lazy, but I don’t think there’s any evil involved there. And the big issue I have is that those folks who are getting their news from Facebook or social media, and because something has picked up steam and it’s snowballing and getting more and more momentum, they think that’s got to be the truth when frankly, half the time they’re not even reading the story.

Dennis
They’re seeing a headline that is click bait, you know? Right. And if they read the whole story, they’d realize it’s a completely different take on the issue than what they’re presuming it to be. And the problem is there is no accountability, at least with mainstream media. They can get sued, they can get fired. You know, they have to have sources that they at least ostensibly are going to report. You don’t have that with with what goes down online.

Dennis
And that’s where I feel there’s a real problem with the misinformation that I agree exists and people need to be very mindful of.

Pat
Yeah, and well, the NDAA, National Defense Authorization Act, you know, that includes droning of American citizens of indefinite detention without any charges being filed, without representation and the ability for media to put out propaganda stuff that is not true, was basically legalized through that through that act, and so that’s stuff that that people, the American citizens need to be aware of that that, hey, we need to do our own research. We need to decipher.

Pat
And, you know, when you go back through history and I’m not I’m not saying that that this is 100 percent the truth, but people can look into it themselves. We do know that that the Associated Press was given access in in Germany and the in the 30s, leading up to the late 30s, leading up to the Holocaust. And the newspapers were putting out, you know, propaganda, you know, that that Jewish citizens were the reason for the poverty of everybody else.

Pat
They’re taking everybody’s money, that they’re they’re unclean, they’re carriers of disease. And they were portrayed as rats and in the German newspapers in the late 30s. Right. And that was that back then. That was the dehumanization of of Jewish citizens which led to the Holocaust. And so there is a lot of programming. And The Associated Press, again, is very prevalent now here in the United States. And so it’s it’s very important for people to truly do their own research.

Pat
And if you look hard enough, you can find the truth. And there are a lot of very educated people to listen to about this subject matter where they can draw a conclusion and at least get to the point where they can come to the middle and say, right now, I really I don’t. And I think there’s a lot of people now because of what we’ve been through the past 18 months, where people are saying, wait a minute, this this whole to two weeks to flatten the curve thing has escalated into some pretty serious, pretty serious violations of our constitutional rights and our God given rights.

Dennis
Well, and, you know, you you made the example or the analogy with respect, again, to the Nazi Germany. And that kind of brings it begs the question once again, though, I mean, then especially from the outside looking in from outside of Germany, looking in, you knew at the end game was there. That’s why I mentioned well, I just don’t see where the end game was, is with the divisiveness now. For instance, I know you had covid, as did I, and I think we both had a pretty bad. I know I was miserable, but it sounds as if you feel that the the advocacy for masking was overboard or is maybe to some extent still overboard.

Dennis
Do you do you have an opinion also on vaccines?

Pat
I do. I do. And, you know, this is through a lot of conversations with with very high level scientists there at a level that they their credentials are as stellar as any scientist out there. We’re talking about molecular biologists. You know, one of my good friends who’s an expert in damage done the mitochondria and cells when toxins enter the body is another guy that I had, I did Instagram live video with him. His name is George Pardos.

Pat
He’s a former Marine, wrestled at the University of Ohio State sorry, The Ohio State University. And but I had to ask him these specific questions so that I could get a better understanding of what was true and what was not about what we’re dealing with. And I asked him and he was a guy that debated Del Big Tree on a previous episode of my podcast about vaccine safety. And Big Tree said, I am not against vaccines. I am an advocate for vaccine safety.

Pat
Let that be clear. And George is on the side of vaccine pro vaccine. It was a very good, very civil debate by two very intelligent man, and it prompted George to start doing research at the University of Minnesota or a University of Missouri with some other scientists. And they were finding some interesting aspects to certain vaccines, what they were doing to the cells in the mitochondria. So anyway, I asked him specific questions and I said, George, what percentage of the human body is human cells?

Pat
And they said about 10 percent. The rest is bacteria and viruses. It’s OK. So I said, can a viral cell migrate from your respiratory system to any other organ in your body or vice versa? And they said, no, you have specific viral cells for each organ in each part of the body. I said, OK, so what is a viral cell’s job when toxins enter the body, whether it be a bacteria or a poison or whatever it is, what is what is the viral cell’s job?

Pat
And he said it is to bond with those toxins and to carry them out of the body, through the pores, through the mouth, through your urine and feces. OK, so while I was getting all of these these answers and helping people understand this, I said, is it the viral cell that gets other sick? He said, no, it’s the viral cell attached to the toxins that get people sick. It’s the toxins attached to those viral cells.

Pat
So it’s not the virus itself. But he also mentioned the fact that this. Spiked protein that he believes was was lab created as well, allows it to stick to the surface of the cell and infect the cell where normally it would go off, say, like a pond that’s frozen over, it would be like throwing throwing a bowling ball onto it and it would just skip across the ice. Normally, when you have a good, good immune system, but with that extra spike, it allows it to stick and basically burn in the cell and in fact, the cell and cause problems.

Pat
So that’s that’s some of the information that I had to get through because I’m not a scientist, but I had to get a better understanding of it. So when we put it down into layman’s terms, it helps people understand kind of what’s going on with all of this. But the masks. I knew that masks weren’t going to help because I talked to scientists about that. The viral cells are so tiny that they’re going to go through. It’s like, as you’ve heard, the term mosquitoes through a chain link fence.

Pat
It’s just it’s just useless. It’s it’s a dog training tool, is what we call it. It’s dog training one o’ one. It’s called obedience. And that’s basically–and I haven’t worn a mask the entire time that stuff has gone on. I refuse to. I simply won’t. And when people would yell at me about wearing a mask, I can’t catch them up to speed on the years of of research that I’ve done, the understanding that I’ve done to put all these pieces of the puzzle together, to understand the complexity of what’s what’s being used against us, the citizen, in my belief.

Pat
And so it’s a bit frustrating when somebody comes up to me and yells at me for not wearing a mask, let’s put it that way.

Dennis
Well, and if they knew who you were, they wouldn’t yell at you for anything. But in any event. OK, so with respect, for instance, to the masks and circling back, well, even before we talk about the mask issue, you mentioned, as has been prevalent in the news here lately, the question of whether or not the virus was lab created. And you are hearing people kind of teetering back and forth on on that issue.

Dennis
But to me, again, the question is, what does it matter? And I have I understand, but our audience, what does it matter? And again, the end game, same with the mask. OK, you feel it’s not. And you’ve done the research to to support your belief that it’s not going to help. I’ve had similar discussions with other people and have concluded that I do think it helps, not necessarily with what you’re taking, but your output.

Dennis
But we both got it. And I was wearing it. You weren’t wearing it. So but, you know, there folks is just distancing themselves to stay away from it. But again, what’s the point? Why why are people pushing for masks? Who’s making money? Who’s how are they controlling you? What’s that end game for either of those theories?

Pat
Well, look, there are, you know, monetary gains, of course, greed. And what I try to do is explain to people I was doing a broadcast for NBC Sports and we were out to dinner and the producer and director were sitting at the table and they obviously leaned they leaned pretty far left.

Pat
And they’ve allowed this to be a political conversation, which people should not.

Dennis
Correct.

Pat
This is a this is a scientific and medical debate. That’s that’s all I see it as.

Dennis
Absolutely.

Pat
And that’s that’s all it should be at that level. But they were going off on Trump. And I said, look, I’ve grown to the point where, again, being able to question my own beliefs. I supported Trump in the beginning, but about midway through his his term, I, I, I was not sure that I really was in support of him because a lot of things that I was noticing with him that were red flags.

Pat
But I said, guys, I said, listen, this isn’t a political conversation. I said, can we agree? And I knew that they would agree because of their left leaning. I said, can we agree that warfare, physical warfare is just a way of taking resources from other nations and enriching very powerful, very wealthy people? They said, yes, we agree with that. And I said then what would make asymmetrical warfare any different? And they said, what do you mean asymmetrical warfare?

Pat
I said, biological, chemical, you know, psychological operations called psy ops for short. What would make that any different? And they go, well, please explain. I said, OK, so we have all of these bio weapons laboratories created and weaponized viruses around the country. Why would you spend billions of dollars just as we’re building, you know, an F-35 fighter jet and brand new missiles that go 17 times faster than any missile on the planet, why would we create weaponized viruses and then leave them in test tubes and not release them and make massive amounts of money off of these of these weaponized viruses?

Pat
And they said we didn’t think about it that way, OK? And so I tried to help people understand motivations and other things. But the end game, it can be as diabolical as population control. OK, we know that Anthony Fauci was, you know, a big part of the HIV/AIDS epidemic that swept through our country in the 80s. You know, he was the one pushing for AZT, which was a failed cancer drug which killed hundreds of thousands of people.

Pat
And he was the one that pushed for that. And and all of a sudden, hundreds of thousands of people are dying from that. And so was AIDS, you know, a bioweapon? We don’t know. We haven’t dug that far into it. And it happened so long ago that I don’t know, there may be, you know, Freedom of Information Act FOIA requests that could could reveal that. But I don’t think anybody really has dug into it that much, so that’s the thing that I try to help people from the other side of the aisle understand that this is not political, this is not political.

Pat
And the people that that run those those bio weapons labs, you know, that’s those are the big pharma companies. Those are the experts, you know, so so I would I would hope that, you know, instead of banning nuclear weapons, nobody wants to nuke their own infrastructure. We’ve come to a multinational corporation run world where they don’t want to destroy any infrastructure that’s going to mess up their ability to make money. So, you know, that’s the thing is I would prefer that they just torched all of the bio weapons laboratories around the world and made them smoking holes in the ground.

Dennis
Sure. And, of course, you know, the similar argument could be made that nobody wants to kill their own people. But maybe, as you said, it could be something as diabolical as population control that is the impetus for some of these conspiracy theories. Who knows? But let’s let’s let’s leave the dark. Let’s leave that conversation from the geopolitical and domestic issues and get into some of the other kind of more fun topics that I know you guys have discussed, like flat Earth and UFOs and Bigfoot and that type of thing.

Dennis
I don’t know that I’ve heard any of those podcasts yet. I’ve heard you allude to them in other of the podcasts that I’ve heard. But what are some of the discussions you’ve had with those people to call them theories, I mean, I frankly, I personally believe that it’s kind of ridiculous to believe that we are the only creatures in this vast universe that might have something that we call intelligence and–and that’s debatable. But tell me about some of those discussions you had.

Pat
Well, you know, years ago, and it’s kind of funny, I was on Eddie Bravo’s podcast out in California the day before I was on Rogan’s and Eddie Bravo has been somebody who constantly talks about Freemason’s, they’re satanic, they’re this, they’re that and all of that. And so I finally had to reveal to him, I said, I’m a Freemason and we don’t we don’t discuss any satanic stuff. And I had to catch him up on there are there are Freemasons and then there are clandestine Freemasons.

Pat
So clandestine Freemasons are not recognized by Freemasonry at all. Those are those lodges are just not recognized. But I said I had to remind him that, you know, Freemasons of old were the guys that were responsible for the French Revolution, you know, the abuse of the crown and the church on the people, same as the American Revolution. They were the Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone and guys like that. There were a lot of Freemasons that stood at the Alamo knowing that they were going to die, but they did it out of principle.

Dennis
He hasn’t watched national treasure, you know.

Pat
Right. So, you know, that sort of stuff. But as far as. Yes. Intelligent life, I. I can’t prove or disprove anything. But I can tell you that, you know, we have to think that we could there’s billions and billions and billions of stars. Right. Whether with planets circling around them, the fact that, you know, and many of those, you know, as a scientist, Avi Loeb on our episode yesterday explained, he said, you have to understand all of those stars are different sizes.

Pat
They burn at different heats and give off, know different different types of radiation. And so that you don’t have to be precisely the same distance from those suns with a planet to have life. So it’s OK for one that burns much less bright, much less temperature to be closer and to have a closer orbit around that around that star to have life. Right. So, you know, with billions upon billions upon billions of those opportunities with each star, it’s pretty likely that there’s life out.

Pat
Yeah, that’s that’s the thing. So and a lot of people contend that that they’ve been among us the whole time. You know, if you have ever seen what is it They Live with Robby Piper? You ever seen that movie? If you put on sunglasses, the specific sunglasses, you see who’s an alien.

Dennis
Oh, yes. Yes, I know what you’re talking about.

Pat
His his his best buddies trying to get him to put on the glasses. And they have one of the most epic street fights in an alley to get him to put on the glasses to see it. I–yeah, so. But but I’m I’m not that big into that. But I can tell you that, you know, they’ve been planting an awful lot of seeds on the citizenry regarding, you know, the Pentagon reports and the Navy reports and and footage, you know, fighter jets filming, you know, UFOs and a lot of this stuff to where it makes it seem a little odd because they have with everything else, there’s predictive programming.

Pat
Right. What they they’ve talked about, you know, pandemics, they’ve talked about other subject matter. They’ve led up to a lot of things that have happened in history. And when they constantly are with legitimate sources, mind you telling us that that were, you know, not not alone. You wonder what what this this is going to lead to.

Dennis
Sure. And you see a lot of that recently. In fact, you know, as far as these reports from Navy pilots and other folks reporting on what they are seeing in releasing some of the the reports that had been classified for so long.

Pat
Yeah, yeah.

Dennis
It’s it’s kind of crazy.

Pat
Yeah. And we get into you know, we’ve had some discussions with some very, very intelligent scientists and computer specialists regarding A.I., you know, the how fast A.I. is learning and and and expounded upon itself its own intelligence at such a rate that we can’t even keep up with it.

Pat
You know, they created a chat room for two A.I.s to hold a conversation while the A.I. is not only created their own language and started communicating with each other, they then locked the scientists out of the room to even get into it. Wow. So then the scientists had to unplug the whole system. And when when you hear, you know, Elon Musk talk about singularity at that point, you know, because we’ve already got drones attacking people in North Africa autonomously, they don’t even have orders or controllers, any human interaction at all at that point.

Dennis
And they’re autonomously targeting citizens at one point. At what point do you say, wait a minute, singularity means A.I. is now controlling all the weapons? Sure. And are we? Are we, are we that’s our–

Dennis
Terminator come to life, right?

Pat
Yeah, it’s it’s so it’s yeah. It’s pretty wild stuff, but we don’t we don’t have benign conversations on my podcast, like is Bigfoot, is Bigfoot clairvoyant? Or anything like that.

Dennis
We all know that of course Bigfoot is clairvoyant, but. Well, OK, I’m going to leave this for a moment. And I want to go back to I mentioned that I had a discussion with Dale Ruplinger. For those folks who are not familiar with Dale, he’s a former Mister America, Mister USA, Mister Universe, bodybuilding legend from the Quad Cities area, and he was talking about when he was, you know, when he went pro and how there was just no money in it.

Dennis
And he specifically references like, you know, Pat is this MMA legend who was there right at the cusp and he got screwed as bad as I did. Now, would you agree with that? I mean, there are definitely some folks making some money in the UFC and MMA in general right now. Did you did you feel like you got kind of cut out of that, given the timing of everything?

Pat
Uh, well, comparatively yes.

Pat
I mean, I didn’t make near the near the amount of money that world champions make now, but we were doing it because we were passionate about it. And that’s to me, you have to be passionate about anything if you’re going to be successful at it. And so that that’s really what it was. We believed in it. We believed that we were truly building, you know, basically on a new frontier. And we were the black sheep of the sporting world.

Pat
Certainly the media wasn’t covering what we were doing for a long time, but we were kind of the favorite sport of other professional athletes. A lot of professional athletes would come to our locker rooms. I mean, you know, for instance, a Brad Penny would come to our locker room who was a pitcher for the for the Dodgers or pro football players. You know, the pro wrestlers were. We love those guys anyway.

Dennis
Sure.

Pat
And and so those guys would show up.

Pat
Mike Tyson came to our locker room one time that the Nevada State Athletic Commission guy that was overseeing our locker room said, hey, there, there’s somebody at the locker room door. Pat, you want to come and see if you want to let him in? So I walk and I open the door and there’s Mike Tyson standing in front of me and his neck is just it’s just huge and shocked me. And he’s like, holy cow. Pat Miletich! He goes, I want to see I want to talk to you guys.

Pat
I want to see little evil. I want to talk to you guys. And I was like, come on, man. So he rounds the corner of the hallway into the locker room. And Jens Pulver, who’s getting ready to fight, his mouth, drops wide open, just goes, oh, my God, Mike Tyson standing right in front of you. So, yeah, that that’s something that we believed we were really fighting for a cause, you know.

Pat
Yeah, in many ways. And I used to have to do televised debates. I even I did one local debate here televised on Channel six. It was Representative Boland. And I think he just assumed that he was going to be debating a guy that was just, you know, punch drunk professional fighter. And this was going to be a cakewalk. And he didn’t do any research. He didn’t he didn’t prepare himself for a debate. And, you know, he started talking about where we’re very concerned about the the health and safety of these athletes.

Pat
We’re worried about them getting, you know, the typical ploy. And so I had to say to him, well Representative Boland. And I mean, seven seven kids die on average a year playing Little League Baseball. Forty boxers die a year around the world. We’ve got we’ve got spectators at auto racing events that die. I mean, even spectators die of that. So if you guys were actually concerned with the safety of the athletes, none of those sports would be going on.

Pat
And so we know that this is not about safety for you. This is about control. And that’s about the you know, you don’t you’re not getting any money from it. Right. That’s not sanctioned in your state. And so that’s really what it was about. So we had some rough waters there to deal with boxing commissions and, you know, the athletic commissions and and the politicians who are really going after us, including John McCain at the time, was really coming after us.

Pat
So it was an uphill battle, but it took having people with some power and some money to get involved for it to kind of get pushed over the edge.

Dennis
Well, speaking of that, that kind of political debates, have you ever considered going into the politics, running for your office yourself?

Pat
You know, they tried to push me to run for U.S. Congress and I started to entertain it and have conversations with folks. But once I realized some of the folks that wanted to put their claws into me, I just I just said, you know, this isn’t for me. I think that I can do I can do more good outside of politics with my podcast. I’m sure I can speak much more freely and and not have to deal with the ramifications of, you know, big corporations or certain certain types of business models that would come after me.

Pat
And I just didn’t want to do that. So maybe, maybe a state house type seat, something like that, where I could you know, I’m more interested in the local stuff because that’s all we can really control for now. And that’s why that’s why we’ve gone to you know, we’ve got a group that meets on every Wednesday night for quite a few months now where we’re putting you know, these are these are folks from military people that are business owners, attorneys, doctors, a lot of people coming together and putting our minds together on how we can deal with what’s being implemented at the local level.

Pat
Because when you talk about Agenda 21, U.N. Agenda 21 and U.N. Agenda 30. These are global these are global plans that are being implemented at the county level, so we have to go and we have to confront, you know, school boards. We have to confront, you know, the county commissioners, the county supervisors. And we just last week, one of our members, we went to the supervisor meeting in Scott County and we handed them a declaration basically saying that they are the folks that control the purse strings.

Pat
They control everything in this county, and that we want them to declare Scott County, Iowa, you know, Sanctuary County against these these. These draconian, you know, vaccine passports and all of this other stuff that’s going to lead to other other constitutional rights being taken, so we’re going to go back pretty much every week and we’re going to visit with them. And, you know, if if we have to, you know, bring other people in that that consider our constitutional rights more important than any emergency, which it says in the Constitution, clearly, that neither war nor emergency supersedes our God given rights, then, you know, we will have to do that.

Pat
So so it’s a local fight that we have to win.

Dennis
Y’know, speaking of not that I want to have to debate this issue, but as an attorney and, you know, I don’t want folks believing that I agree with Pat on that issue.

Pat
And I can appreciate that.

Dennis
There are things as far as when somebody says what’s constitutional and what’s not, that I’m sure I disagree. But we’ll set that aside because podcast and politics aside, I did want to talk about you have not lost the passion for the fight game because you fought Michael Nunn last summer.

Dennis
What prompted and by the way, those of you who aren’t familiar with Michael Nunn, he is a former world champion boxer. And I mean, he was a great boxer. And both of you guys are not spring chickens any longer. But I thought I think it was something that a lot of people were clamoring for for a long time. And you made it happen last last year. So what was it that that prompted that?

Pat
Well, Michael wanted to get his name back out there and. I thought, well, I just launched this Internet pay per view company where we do smaller sporting events and at the same time, you know, our community was being locked down and divided by the media and a lot of stuff that was going on, you know, last summer with with the riots all over the country and a lot of the stuff. And I I really wanted I was trying to unite the community, you know, and get get everybody out.

Pat
Michael and I have known each other for many years. And and he and I agreed on the cause of uniting the community. And that’s what we wanted to do. And so that’s really the big reason why we did it. And I felt good about about doing that just because I knew so many people that were suffering from depression. I had some friends who were veterans who had committed suicide. And I’ve worked with veterans and, you know, first responders for a lot of years.

Pat
And they go through a lot. They go through a lot. Sure. And, you know, the PTSD and everything else. And, you know, the domestic violence was on the rise, suicides, you know, depression, all of that stuff. And I just I wanted to give people just a glimmer of light, you know, that we can we can live our lives. That that was the main the main focus for me.

Dennis
Right. And how did you feel physically after that? I mean, it had been a while since you’d actually fought, I guess. And I don’t know how many years had it been.

Pat
Probably 8-10 years, something like that. But I mean, I didn’t have any damage or anything and Michael still unbelievably fast for his age. So so he hit me plenty. But I told him, I said, you know, I’m not going to kick you in the head. I wouldn’t do that to him. But, you know, I’ll have to kick you in the legs a few times hard, you know? And I booted his legs out from underneath him a little bit.

Pat
And I called him and I called him the next day and I said, Hey, Mike, how are you doing today? And he goes, What do you mean, how am I doing? He goes, I can’t walk. So boxers, boxers that have not absorbed low kicks, those leg kicks that we’ve had to deal with in MMA, I mean, kickboxing, they’re just not used to it. And it’s they’re pretty devastating. And it’s hard to control the power sometimes.

Pat
And so his legs were pretty, pretty battered. He took his he took his sweatpants down the next day after I saw him at a business that we met at to grab a bite to eat. And he pulled his sweat pants down–he had shorts on underneath–and his legs were just every color you could imagine. And I felt I felt pretty bad about it. But, you know, he’s he’s I think over the years what he’s endured, you know, and the years that he had to spend in prison, he’s really he’s really rounded himself out emotionally and mentally.

Pat
And he doesn’t blame anybody but himself. And I think that’s obviously the way we have to be in life. Sure. We really end up we end up having to have to blame ourselves for for everything that I mean, it’s almost like, you know, a Buddhist believes if they’re walking across the street and somebody runs a red light and hit you, it’s still your fault you were there.

Pat
You chose to be there. Right. So that’s kind of the mentality that that I’ve over the years been absorbing myself.

Dennis
Well, you know, I mentioned before that we get through what we could and we’re going to have to have you come back, talk about a lot more. But I want to I want to I’ve got a game I’m going to want to play with you to wrap things up. But before I get to that, I want to to hear from you. First of all, what is it you’ve got? You mentioned the paperview and of course, we know the podcast.

Dennis
What is it you’ve got on the horizon that you’re that you’re really looking forward to? And what do you want your tombstone to say or your eulogy to be when when you pass from this world?

Pat
Well, my tombstone would have to be, you know, hopefully as a seeker of truth, you know, I’d be appropriate with self and the rest of the world. But I’m also I’m doing broadcast for Fox Sports there on Fox Sports, Fox Sports 2, and Fox Sports 1. And then also I’m selling I, I had to get involved with this company because I’d never seen anything. Anything even remotely close to this, and I brought you a bag of this. [holds up back of Black Oxygen Organics]

Pat
This is black oxygen, black oxygen organics.

Dennis
I have heard of that. Yeah.

Pat
OK, so–And I’ll just kind of explain this, because this is my way of of giving back, I guess, and helping people. And I can’t say this treats cures or prevents any disease or sickness. I always have to say that because it’s not FDA approved, but it is approved by Health Canada, which is much more stringent than our own FDA. So anyway, we’ve mass-produced food in the same soil for so long that all the nutrients are gone out of the soil.

Pat
So without those proper organic nutrients, so you can’t buy a bottle of vitamins or minerals off of a shelf that are inorganic and expect us as an organic organism to absorb them. That’s one thing that medical doctors do understand well about nutrition is that those types of vitamins and minerals simply do not work. So a friend of mine figured out he tested and he’s been an expert in nutrition nutrients in soil around the world. And he tested a bunch of bogs, about 100 bogs in Canada to find the one that was the most nutrient rich.

Pat
And that’s a five foot sediment layer of fifteen hundred different types of plants that have decomposed for sixty thousand years. And all the nutrients have concentrated in that five foot layer. So what he what he figured out a way to do is suck those, suck that mud up and then use a CO2 pressurized freeze drying process to concentrate it into a powder. And when you put this in your body, there’s a great book that people can read leading up to making a decision to take in something like this called Dead Doctors Don’t Lie, a book that I read many, many years ago.

Pat
And in that book, he is a guy, the doctor, that’s done more autopsies on animals and humans that have died of natural causes than anyone else on the planet. And basically, he says everything dies of natural causes from mineral deficiency. And and he says there’s a reason that men that live in the Himalayan foothills can father children into their mid 80s and upper 80s is because the soil that they grow their food in is so mineral rich. And so when you put this in your body, it adds forty five percent more oxygen at a cellular level, which which removes the acidity out of the cell, thereby making it very difficult for any disease to exist.

Pat
It also delivers nutrients that activate the mitochondria, which are the mitochondria being the furnace of the cell creates energy. And so with all that natural energy, you’re just you can do a lot more. It also resets the gut bacteria, cleans out the intestinal wall so that you can absorb nutrients of your food. It also resets the hormonal system, which is why a lot of women love this stuff, because their thyroid gets activated again, suddenly starting to work.

Pat
A lot of middle aged men because they’re creating more testosterone. All their glandular system is working correctly again. And and the thing is, is it removes inflammation out of the body. So once they get out of the respiratory system, the arterial system, the joints, the muscles, everything like that. My brother was had terminal cancer at the beginning of July last year. He had Blastoid Mantle Cell Lymphoma, and I got him on it. Fourth of July is when he started on this stuff.

Pat
And two and a half months later, they did blood tests at the University of Iowa and his cancer was gone already.

Dennis
Wow.

Pat
And so I’ve got friends with severe rheumatoid arthritis where their blood tests show they don’t have rheumatoid arthritis anymore. A good friend of mine who’s a pastor up in Clinton, Iowa, was in hospice. And people are going to go, this is ridiculous. This is not true. All we’re doing is putting the actual real organic nutrients into the body that we’re not getting anymore and that makes us defenseless against disease.

Pat
But he he was dying of hepatitis C. He had saved the guy’s life that tried to commit suicide. The guy bled all over him, gave him hepatitis C. So he was in hospice basically with not much longer to live. And I got him taking this three times a day. He argued with me about it and said, I know where I’m going. I’ve led a good life. And I said, well, God sent me here then to make you take this house that, you know.

Pat
So he took it. And three days later he called me. He said it’s his hospice nurse was freaking out. His blood pressure had dropped down to normal from one seventy seventy five over 62 to 116, over seventy two and two and a half months later, he was back to work. They had kicked him out of hospice, you know, quite a quite a while back. And and and he’s doing great today. And so without the nutrients in our body that we actually need, it’s very difficult to lead an optimum life.

Pat
And it’s helping with the forty five percent more oxygen at the cellular level, athletes are destroying their old PRs. I’ve got friends that are ultra runners that are in their mid 50s and they’ve dropped after decades of running, have dropped a minute to two minute off their per mile time, with their heart rate being thirty beats per minute. I mean, this is the real deal and this is what I’ve been looking for my entire life, to not only heal my own respiratory system from black mold damage, but to help other people.

Pat
And so anybody that I love, I can tell you that they’re on it. Anybody that I care about is on it. And it’s exploding because people are starting to realize the power of this stuff.

Dennis
Now, this is something you take three times a day, is that right?

Pat
Typically, for somebody who’s for someone who’s very ill, that’s what I tell them. It’s just a little measuring half teaspoon three times a day and a bottle of water. Shake it up. You can put it in your coffee even. But for somebody who is of decent condition, doesn’t have any serious medical conditions, I just say two times a day, first thing in the morning and a little bit after lunch and and I’ve gotten hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people writing me or calling me grown.

Pat
I’ve had grown men in tears over what it’s done for them. I’ve I’ve had women call me because, you know, when it cleans the heavy metals and the toxins out of the cells, it allows the cells to operate. And you have to understand Alzheimer’s, dementia, kids with autism, when they do autopsies on those people in the brain tissue, the cells have abnormal levels of aluminum and other metals in them. They weren’t able to get rid of them with this.

Pat
When it goes when it leaves the cell, it drags with it heavy metals and toxins. And so people with Alzheimer’s, I can’t say for sure and make any medical claims, but I’ve had people call me and say my eighty five year old father now remembers the names of his grandchildren, again, you know, and things like that. Mom’s calling saying that their autistic sons are are operating at a much more optimum level and speaking much more. And it moves you.

Pat
It moves you when you get these kind of calls of people in tears that their whole outlook on their life changes. And I can’t guarantee it will work for everybody. But I can tell you that the hundreds and hundreds of people that have contacted me after being on it, it’s it’s pretty amazing. It’s hard to wrap my mind around.

Dennis
So how do people get it? Do you have a website, by the way, or?

Pat
Yes. Yeah, they can. They can go to–it’s BlackOxygenOrganics.com/pjmiletich and they can order it through that.

Dennis
And I will make sure I’m sorry that I want to make sure I’m telling Justin, our producer, to get that up on the screen here for those folks who who watch the video version of the podcast.

Pat
So, yeah, BlackOxygenOrganics.Com/pjmiletich. It’s about two dollars a day to take it.

Dennis
Well worth it.

Pat
It’s $110. $110 for a bag with it, lasts you about 50 days. So it’s two bucks a day to change your health, you know. Yeah. So anybody that wants to get back to working out or wants wants to get rid of the pain that they’re feeling in their joints or whatever, it’s certainly worth a try, I can tell you that.

Dennis
Perfect. Well, before I let you go, I want to play some would you rather with you. OK, so OK, first first one, this this is going to tell us a lot about Pat Miletich. Folks, would you rather get locked in a room with a lion, a tiger or a bear and a monkey or a hundred spiders?

Pat
Wow, I’m I’m not a spider lover, but I would pick the spider so that I could just smash all them.

Dennis
I hear ya.

Dennis
OK. Would you rather never be able to read books again or never be able to listen to music again?

Pat
I would rather not listen to music.

Dennis
That would have been my guess. Would you rather be held in high regard by your family or your friends?

Pat
Family.

Dennis
Perfect, and would you rather be infamous or notorious in history after you’re gone or be forgotten after you’re gone?

Pat
Oh, notorious, without a doubt.

Dennis
Well, the only way, right?

Pat
I’m trying.

Dennis
Speaking of which, I thought this would be fun to do. So you’ve heard those Chuck Norris jokes before, right? Okay, so we had to we had to change these around there no longer Chuck Norris jokes they are Pat Miletich jokes. So in the beginning there was nothing then Pat Miletich roundhouse roundhouse kick nothing and told it to get a job. Miletich’s tears cure cancer. Too bad he’s never cried. Pat Miletich can dribble a bowling ball.

Dennis
Pat Miletich doesn’t wear a watch. He decides what time it is. I love this one, too. Pat Miletich lost his virginity before his dad did.

Pat
Oh, dear God.

Dennis
And the last one? Death once had a near Pat Miletich experience. I thought those were appropriate. For those of you who who don’t know, Pat, I mean, obviously, Pat’s a great guy, well-informed guy, but is no one to be trifled with as would be the same for Chuck Norris.

Dennis
So. So, anyway, Pat, thank you so much. As I said before, we’re going to have to have you come back on here and maybe do a deep dove into some some more of these conspiracy theories. And, you know, it’s been it’s been a lot of fun. So I hope to have you back soon.

Pat
Well, thank you. And I appreciate that. And many have proven to be conspiracy fact.

Dennis
I hear ya. I understand. Until his fact is theory, but you’re right, a lot of that stuff does get proven as time goes goes on. So and I don’t want to disparage any of that. I think it’s it’s always great when people are thinking outside the box. So I appreciate all you doing with Conspiracy Farm and just everything that you do in general. So thank you for that. And as always, we want to thank you all for tuning in. We want to we appreciate you subscribing or registering to Uncommon Convos on your favorite podcast platform if you haven’t done so yet.

Dennis
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